Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1974-02-24
- Live concert
- Grateful Dead
- DeadLists Project
SBD> Master Reel> PCM> DAT> Fostex D5 DAT> Marantz Professional
PMD-320 CD Master> Ricoh MP-6200 series CD-R> HP 8200i CDRW Drive (EAC)>
SHNCD; via Jay Serafin, Stephen Windsor; note d4 is 73:52, not 74:06 as stated
in accompanying info file, and thus does not require overburning (possibly
was EZCD artifact?); no flaws noticed
- 2004-04-14 10:51:03
- SBD > Master Reel > PCM > DAT > Fostex D5 DAT > Marantz Professional PMD-320 CD Master > Ricoh MP-6200 series CD-R > HP 8200i CDRW Drive (EAC) > SHN
- San Francisco, CA
- Taped by
- Transferred by
- Winterland Arena
Subject: Good ole Winterland
From Bill Graham's intro, "What ever is going on with the rest of the world whether it be wars, or kidnapping or crimes this is a peaceful Sunday night with the Grateful Dead", until the last note was sweetness.
I went to all five shows.
They called it the last one.
Yeah right. As Jerry would say, "You got the Do Re, I got the me!
Subject: Its all over now
Subject: Dead list project
With all the reviews for this show here , it might take much of this show just to check them all out.
Don't want to ignore this show with my infomercial on DEAD LISTS. I would say that Night Two has the best Psychedelia but all 3 of these shows are very sweet.
Never pass by a Dark Star>Morning Dew
(I also like that this is pre-Seastones which to me is the only part of 74-Dead that I do take a pass on.)
Oh yeah if you want to compare different years to each other the THIS DAY IN HISTORY (TDIH) is pretty helpful.
On how to get thru an entire show from 94 & 95?
Not a clue!
Subject: Dark Star
Subject: I was there
So as far as critics go enjoy or shut up.
Subject: More Weather Report
Subject: Best EVER ?????
as an example, 'Morning Dew.' When I critique' a version I look at a number of things. Garcia's vocal phrasing/singing on the different verses. He might nail 'heard a baby cry' (this version is nice but the version from the show opening version at Boston Music Hall in Nov 73 is up there as a GREAT, emotional reading etc. Then there is the 'young man.' verse again this is a nice version, 'best ever??" probably not.Then you have the 1st 'guitar break, ' this version Garcia does well where Phil is somewhat reserved compared to other versions.Then there's the 2nd final guitar break, this one Garcia does well but there are better versions Phil's contribution, bass playing on this is also in my opinion NOT his best. Again check out the 1st Dew from Boston in Nov phil stands out as well as Garcia on the 2nd , final guitar break. Im not saying that that Boston version is the 'best ever' either. But it does have certain attributes that put it 'up there.'To elaborate further regarding that Boston version from 11/73 Garcia's phrasing/singing etc on the 'Young man' verse is good but not up there with best ever versions as the earlier 'baby cry' verse is in my opinion up there in the 'best ever' territory perhaps NOT 'best ever' but it is 'up there.'
These are not the only aspects I 'evaluate' when I try and critique a Morning Dew either. I havent even mentioned Weir's contributions, Bil's etc or the recording quality.
If the recording quality is bad it makes it hard to evaluate Garcia's tone,play, ditto for Phil and the rest of the band. etc, etc
Bottom line: my point is that rarely if ever do you have a version of a song where they nail EVERY aspect of the song where it is the 'BEST EVER.' Some parts/aspects are great, best ever material but other aspects are not.
Subject: Spoiled For Choice!
At the time this was recorded, in the early 70`s, there were many musical technicians at work who were all too eager to display there speedy runs and aggressive playing. This is not to knock bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath Santana and so forth. It is only to say that this is why Jerry has been irreplaceable, because his playing was fluid and generally more restrained. All the credit to him and the rest of the GD for not getting caught up in the whole Rocking Blues Band Trip. They were that, but of course so much more. Really, the more that I listen to shows from 70 to 77, the more that I realize it is a feeble attempt to get carried away with comparisons as each one of these years are golden! If you don`t understand why this show is great now, and in fact you dig the GD. then chances are you`ll come back to it later and have a light bulb moment. Otherwise, there is not much more to add to the other substantially good reviews given to this show.
Let it Grow is definitely growing on me as a song.
Loved this show, next up for me to listen to is 10/19/74!
but the things that are given critique, "era-typically" (why not create a word that will stand up to time, like conversate, as in, to musically conversate) are what makes this great.
and you have to start by mentioning the fact of analog tape, an era thing, of mostly past, for which we are all poorer, and without, frankly, the music ain't quite, but then
this 'un actually is quite, and
i especially love the parts where the poor drug-crazed band couldn't figure out what song the were playing, like the no you or is that china hat?
i don't know, maybe it was the \
Subject: Fantastic show
Highlights: Candyman, China>Rider, Loser, Playin'.
Cumberland, Bertha, Let It Grow, Dark Star.
Rest really good.
Subject: Getting too laid back?
This period still has its moments of course: the improvisational jams throughout Playing in the Band, or He's Gone>Truckin'>Other One, Eyes of the World, WRS, the exploratory Dark Stars. These still capture the Dead at what they do best -- they are like Impressionist paintings. So, it's 4 stars for "very good."
Subject: I Know This Show Is A Classic, But...
However, I'm not a huge fan on 1974 shows in general. 1973 was a giant year for the Dead. They experimented and grew in many different ways. Their energy was phenomenal. 1974, on the other hand, found the boys polishing rough edges more than blazing new trails. It is more subdued and less unpredictable, and therein lies my troubles with 1974. Predictability is not one of my favorite attributes of the GD.
If you are into really polished, well played shows, you can probably reverse my thinking 180 degrees... but if like me, you enjoy spontaneity and chaos, you are better off with a great 1973 show.
With all that said, the China/Rider here is a keeper... very tasty. And the Playin' and WRS are really good too.
Technically, this recording takes about 3 or 4 songs before the mix settles in (Mexicali sounds almost like Billy and a monitor feed of Bobby's voice), but after that it gets quite good. By the 2nd set it is stellar. The transfer is perfect.
Overall, well worth adding to your collection!
Subject: Sorry guys, I'm just not too impressed
Subject: to the maine man
had i been old enough to see '74 shows at the winterland, i doubt my feet would yet be touching the ground.
this was the wake of the 1960s flood, indeed: "Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor, Why hold out for more?"
mind bogglingly good. it begs to be in your collection.
listening to this show rite now. it really is just one highlight after another. loser just SPARKLES. and OMG...that row jimmy coming out of LIG is just amazing! really slowed down and almost reggae like, and how 'bout jerry's slide! un-frikin'-believable. this is top shelf stuff. easily one of the best all-time. this, 6/18 and 5/19 are all essential '74.
a classic early '74 show that sounds more like late '73, well played, and the newer songs (U.S. Blues and Ship) sound great. an absolutely SUBLIME candyman, amazing china>rider, and very unique weather report. promised land is the most rockin' verison i've ever heard! and how 'bout that cumberland...one HOT tamale! playin' is good but not even close to the best of '74 (that goes to 8/6/74 easily) but i should give another listen. the dark star is a great mellow version and i love the spanish tease. it all ends with a rollicking NFA that is one of my recent faves.
find this along with 2/23 - both must haves!
Subject: Late to the Party
This is so much more appreciated, after going thru the timeline of really great stuff over the years.
(Hope Tom is still tuning in.)
So basically this show is the last of "The Honey Year," imo. Just an all-around killer show. One of the last truly otherworldly Dark Stars, though not quite on the level of 11/11/73, but you can hardly fault it for that. Also, one of the best China Cat>Riders of the year, up there with 6/26, imo.
This whole run is great, and I would go so far as to say the previous night equals this, if not surpasses. And 2/22 is definitely no slouch either. Get the whole run if you love the laid-back, jazzy, epic Dead.
Subject: Early 70's Shows
Subject: To lcj72835...
I love Jackstraw and China/rider - these are among my faves. Man, can anyone out there build a time machine so I can go back and spend about 3 years following the dead -starting around Oct '71??
Subject: god I love this band
of course 5 stars -- this band is seldom off.
all hale the archives!
Subject: Sorry not this night
Subject: trouble downloading
Subject: Where the Dead Began
Subject: So Much For Work Today
Just about as good as I can remember it getting.
Subject: Excellent Sound Quality
None the less, it is a solid 74 show, which was a great year.
Subject: read up
74 rocked for a reason
Augustus Owsley Stanley III
Subject: shut up donna
Subject: oh, but the drums
Great show overall, too. I mean, look at the setlist, and think of 74 as a year in general. Absolutely incredible.
Subject: The Spook Within
The Weather Report and China>Rider are also exemplary.
Good sound quality too. Anyone wanna hook me up with a B&P?
Subject: Phenomenal Show!
Subject: This is it
The purest expression of the human experience ever uttered. Souls connecting directly to souls, transcending the medium, nullifying any consideration of time and space.
Time travellers view from their invisible seats, returning to experience this one moment in time.
This is what it was all about, folks.
A blend of emotion and psychic energy so unique it defies any logical description, and thwarts any attempt at explanation.
This was the Grateful Dead.
Subject: choices and emotion
Subject: In the Greatful Dead's '74 medicine chest...
Subject: The Best Dew Ever
Subject: China Rider
The rest of the show is soooo good. Great setlist with an amazing Dark Star right into Dew.
Subject: Good Stuff
The introduction by Bill Graham is great, "Whatever's going on in the world, wars or kidnappings, this is a peaceful Sunday night with the Grateful Dead"
Subject: very cool stuff
happy to share with a responsible fans, email me @ firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: No question...
Subject: my humble opinion
Subject: A very good show
Subject: 5 Stars
Subject: Laid back and not the most energetic show
Subject: Filled with fine GD music!!!!!!!
Subject: Believe the hype - Jerry waits 30 mins before the first lyrics in Dark Star
They could have shut it down at the end of the glorius Dew but have plenty of fire left and bang out a cranking Sugar Mag and supreme NFA>GTRFB>NFA - This is the one you take to the afterlife.
Subject: segue from Chine>Rider!!!!!!!!!!
Damn I forgot...check out Jerry's brilliance on Jack Straw. This is in my top 5 Jack Straws...his licks are so f-ing smooth!
OK, now on the topic of the beautiful UJB-like segue jam from Chin>Rider. I can not believe so many people do not know about this jam...and also how many people think it is Mind Left Body jam. It is not MLB jam. MLB jam is completely unrelated to this segue jam. If you want a MLB jam, listen to 10/17/74 - Spanish Jam > MLB jam.
The UJB-like segue from China>Rider made its debut in a spring 1973 show (5/26/73 is really cool)...and survived through the 5 night Winterland run in 10/74. Although it is in a totally different key than UJB, it has that sort of groove to it. IMO, the best ever UJB-like segue jam is this 2/24/74 Winterland! Damn! Jerry's tone is just crystal clear and in your face...he really nails it with a special touch this night! The one on the bonus disc from the movie does not touch 2/24/74.
Subject: Another great '74 show
Subject: beautiful show
Subject: Great show
It also fits easily on 3 CD's; put Promised Land at the beginning of "disc 4" (now disc 3), and the rest of "disc 3" at the end of disc 2. Does anyone still burn 74 min CD's??
Subject: 1973 -1974
Subject: Sorry Primal fans...
Subject: Jeepers! ! !
The Dark Star>Dew is epic and clocks in at about 45 minutes. It takes a full 19 minutes until Jerry finds the 1st verse and then after a serious meltdown it's time for your "mind to leave your body". Indeed Billy is driving this entire jam and might be his best ever performance. I'd rank this in my top 5 Dark Star's ever.
I also really like the rare Baby Blue encore. A great 2cd package!
Subject: Great Show
Subject: Over the Top Nugget
Wonder if they all sounded like this? Thanks to forward thinking and hard work, we have these, today 30 years later, with this quality and fans getting their fill. Outside of the masters, what else could you ask for?
Don't take my word for it, listen and/or download for yourself.
Subject: The rest
Subject: Top 5!
Dr. Flashback ;-)
Subject: Where's the rest of the SBD?